Comments on: Will NutriFeron save you from the bird flu? http://www.bonniewren.com/2005/will-nutriferon-save-you-from-the-bird-flu.htm I fought the lawn... and the lawn won Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:19:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Joan Kwasiborski http://www.bonniewren.com/2005/will-nutriferon-save-you-from-the-bird-flu.htm#comment-43927 Joan Kwasiborski Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:36:33 +0000 http://www.bonniewren.com/?p=194#comment-43927 I stumbled upon this site about an hour ago; when I should have been sleeping. Okay, disclaimer, but modified: I think I'm still a Shaklee distributor. I was more active a few years ago, there were some major changes in my life, and I had to rearrange some priorities. That said, after reading most of the above posts, I have several thoughts on different comments, and it's hard to know where to begin. Regarding Shaklee as "basic," or "standard," my research led me to conclude they are way beyond that! Biased, Shaklee users and business people may be, but they are reasonably biased, not ignorantly biased, or uninformed, regarding the products and business as their critics appear to be! Are all those posting in this thread aware that Shaklee has had over 70 articles published in scientific and medical peer review journals? And do all the posters here know what an accomplishment that is? Do you know how many U.S. Olympic medalists have used Shaklee for their supplementation program? Do you know that medical doctors in the U.S. are not legally permitted to prescribe food supplements as a cure for any illness other than a deficiency in that particular supplement? A doctor is not going to prescribe iron supplements for a patient unless he has blood work that shows that patient has an iron deficiency. INSURANCE companies are not paying people to take food supplements; drugs, yes. By the way, when you pay for a drug perscription, do you ever think that part of the profits to that drug company go to the lobbyists they send to Washington? Now how cheap are your perscriptions? It is NOT true that if a product was a great gift for mankind that the world, or even a large part of it, would necessarily know it and accept it. CASE in POINT There are many skin care products which claim to have C and E in them to help with anti-aging, and it may be true that their product contains some. However, vitamins C and E are very unstable and easily damaged by light and air. It was not possible until recently for those nutrients to be significantly effective when applied to the skin. How many other companies have since caught up with the Shaklee technology, I do not know, but I know Shaklee has several patents on their skin care line, Enfuselle. Just after they introduced this product, Paula Begoun released her new book in which a university (Tufts, I think) dermatology researcher was quoted explaining why vitamins C and E are not really effective (due to being unstable). He goes on to say, that if that problem is solved, we should all go out and buy stock in the company which produces the product because it would be a miracle product! I wrote Paula Begoun and told her about the new Shaklee "miracle" product. She phoned me! She asked for the ingredients. I sent her empty boxes which listed all the ingredients, but it is not just the ingredients that make Shaklee's skin care so good. It's the patented process they developed which successfully delivers the potent vitamin C and E to the skin, and is received by the cells; not activated until it is applied to the skin. She did not reply to me ever, and when I checked her website I did not see the Shaklee Enfuselle products listed in any of her reviews. Not surprising, since she markets her own line of skin care....This is not to say she does not have some worthwhile information at her website. Other companies? Well, I know of one, supplement "company," or rather supplier, which is promoted by an M.D., and claims the women's multiple supplement is especially designed to meet a woman's needs...There were no "distributors" for me to contact; I wrote directly to the doctor, a woman, who also had a paperback published about help for menopausal women, and asked why the B vitamins in that supplement were so extremely high, (6666% of the DV, or RDA, for one of them) and yet the biotin was 10% of the RDA? REALLY, what would be the reason for such a formula? Well, I guess she was too busy to respond; I never heard from her. However, are the posters here aware of what a good B formula is? Do you know that if those B vitamins are not within certain ratios, the body kicks them all out? And do you know that some B vitamins actually cost more to put into a supplement than some others? Now which company has an expensive supplement? Expensive, is a product you pay for which doesn't deliver what you were promised it would. And I must think, that by expensive, a critic would be comparing the Shaklee products to some other product of like kind, otherwise what kind of meaning would that have? Please don't compare Shaklee supplements with other supplements which are not bioavailable nor do they even break down in water in 30 minutes, which is the industry standard for testing whether that supplement is going to be used by your body or just eliminated by your body. For people who have found many of the Shaklee products to be truly life saving, these are not "expensive" (because as noted above, that implies an apples and apples comparison....) but rather these were products which had VALUE for them. BTW, my family was introduced to Shaklee by our family internist, who has a very successful and still growing practice. At that time his family had used the products for about 20 years. They were reluctant to get involved with Shaklee, as they finally did, because they had been so burned by another shoddy, a purportedly MLM company, before that. There are MANY M.D.s, along with dentists, nurses, nutritionists, and other well respected health care professionals who use, promote and sell Shaklee. Not the Shaklee Corporation, but other publications, and these professionals themselves, make literature and tapes available. It so happens my excellent acupuncturist is not one of them! He sells a different line. I did compare that multiple's ingredients and formula to Shaklee's, and while it looked to be very good, it COST TWICE AS MUCH! BTW, I've worked in retail. Do you have any idea what the mark up is on the other things you buy? Things which for the most part add no health benefit to your life? If you choose to supplement, and shop for a product, beware, because with most of those supplements on the market, you don't know where the ingredients came from! You don't know what pesticides are on them, and the FDA does not regulate that for you! Therefore, based on my research, with PERHAPS a few exceptions, all the other supplement products EXCEPT for Shaklee, are the snake oil products. When you use their products, you are the guina pig, and maybe in a few months or years there will be a recall: such and such recalled, China had an export product used in the popular supplement blah blah blah. Well, I won't hear that from Shaklee, because they spent millions testing their ingredients AND their products before they sold it to me; I wasn't a guina pig for them! BTW are all the posters aware: if you purchase ANY product from Shaklee, even if you use all of it and have nothing left but the empty package, and are not happy with it for ANY reason, they will refund all of what you paid for the product. This does not come out of the pocket of the distributors; this comes directly from the Shaklee Corporation! So, backed with the information that we as Shaklee informants have, knowing Shaklee has safe products, we are able to offer to people who WANT to try a product, they have nothing to lose, because they can get all their money back they paid for the product. Do you think GNC makes that offer? People who have diseases, or chronic conditions, and are looking for help they can't find in drug treatments, or want something safe, should always present the product they want to try to their physician who is treating them. For instance some nutrients make some cancers worse! Some help. Well, for better or worse, there is my two cents in response to some of the postings here. The best of health to every one of you! I stumbled upon this site about an hour ago; when I should have been sleeping.
Okay, disclaimer, but modified: I think I’m still a Shaklee distributor. I was more active a few years ago, there were some major changes in my life, and I had to rearrange some priorities.
That said, after reading most of the above posts, I have several thoughts on different comments, and it’s hard to know where to begin.
Regarding Shaklee as “basic,” or “standard,” my research led me to conclude they are way beyond that!
Biased, Shaklee users and business people may be, but they are reasonably biased, not ignorantly biased, or uninformed, regarding the products and business as their critics appear to be!
Are all those posting in this thread aware that Shaklee has had over 70 articles published in scientific and medical peer review journals? And do all the posters here know what an accomplishment that is?
Do you know how many U.S. Olympic medalists have used Shaklee for their supplementation program?
Do you know that medical doctors in the U.S. are not legally permitted to prescribe food supplements as a cure for any illness other than a deficiency in that particular supplement? A doctor is not going to prescribe iron supplements for a patient unless he has blood work that shows that patient has an iron deficiency. INSURANCE companies are not paying people to take food supplements; drugs, yes. By the way, when you pay for a drug perscription, do you ever think that part of the profits to that drug company go to the lobbyists they send to Washington? Now how cheap are your perscriptions?
It is NOT true that if a product was a great gift for mankind that the world, or even a large part of it, would necessarily know it and accept it.
CASE in POINT
There are many skin care products which claim to have C and E in them to help with anti-aging, and it may be true that their product contains some. However, vitamins C and E are very unstable and easily damaged by light and air. It was not possible until recently for those nutrients to be significantly effective when applied to the skin. How many other companies have since caught up with the Shaklee technology, I do not know, but I know Shaklee has several patents on their skin care line, Enfuselle.

Just after they introduced this product, Paula Begoun released her new book in which a university (Tufts, I think) dermatology researcher was quoted explaining why vitamins C and E are not really effective (due to being unstable). He goes on to say, that if that problem is solved, we should all go out and buy stock in the company which produces the product because it would be a miracle product!

I wrote Paula Begoun and told her about the new Shaklee “miracle” product. She phoned me! She asked for the ingredients. I sent her empty boxes which listed all the ingredients, but it is not just the ingredients that make Shaklee’s skin care so good. It’s the patented process they developed which successfully delivers the potent vitamin C and E to the skin, and is received by the cells; not activated until it is applied to the skin.

She did not reply to me ever, and when I checked her website I did not see the Shaklee Enfuselle products listed in any of her reviews. Not surprising, since she markets her own line of skin care….This is not to say she does not have some worthwhile information at her website.

Other companies? Well, I know of one, supplement “company,” or rather supplier, which is promoted by an M.D., and claims the women’s multiple supplement is especially designed to meet a woman’s needs…There were no “distributors” for me to contact; I wrote directly to the doctor, a woman, who also had a paperback published about help for menopausal women, and asked why the B vitamins in that supplement were so extremely high, (6666% of the DV, or RDA, for one of them) and yet the biotin was 10% of the RDA? REALLY, what would be the reason for such a formula? Well, I guess she was too busy to respond; I never heard from her.
However, are the posters here aware of what a good B formula is? Do you know that if those B vitamins are not within certain ratios, the body kicks them all out? And do you know that some B vitamins actually cost more to put into a supplement than some others? Now which company has an expensive supplement?
Expensive, is a product you pay for which doesn’t deliver what you were promised it would. And I must think, that by expensive, a critic would be comparing the Shaklee products to some other product of like kind, otherwise what kind of meaning would that have? Please don’t compare Shaklee supplements with other supplements which are not bioavailable nor do they even break down in water in 30 minutes, which is the industry standard for testing whether that supplement is going to be used by your body or just eliminated by your body.
For people who have found many of the Shaklee products to be truly life saving, these are not “expensive” (because as noted above, that implies an apples and apples comparison….) but rather these were products which had VALUE for them.
BTW, my family was introduced to Shaklee by our family internist, who has a very successful and still growing practice. At that time his family had used the products for about 20 years. They were reluctant to get involved with Shaklee, as they finally did, because they had been so burned by another shoddy, a purportedly MLM company, before that.
There are MANY M.D.s, along with dentists, nurses, nutritionists, and other well respected health care professionals who use, promote and sell Shaklee. Not the Shaklee Corporation, but other publications, and these professionals themselves, make literature and tapes available.
It so happens my excellent acupuncturist is not one of them! He sells a different line. I did compare that multiple’s ingredients and formula to Shaklee’s, and while it looked to be very good, it COST TWICE AS MUCH!
BTW, I’ve worked in retail. Do you have any idea what the mark up is on the other things you buy? Things which for the most part add no health benefit to your life?
If you choose to supplement, and shop for a product, beware, because with most of those supplements on the market, you don’t know where the ingredients came from! You don’t know what pesticides are on them, and the FDA does not regulate that for you! Therefore, based on my research, with PERHAPS a few exceptions, all the other supplement products EXCEPT for Shaklee, are the snake oil products. When you use their products, you are the guina pig, and maybe in a few months or years there will be a recall: such and such recalled, China had an export product used in the popular supplement blah blah blah. Well, I won’t hear that from Shaklee, because they spent millions testing their ingredients AND their products before they sold it to me; I wasn’t a guina pig for them!
BTW are all the posters aware: if you purchase ANY product from Shaklee, even if you use all of it and have nothing left but the empty package, and are not happy with it for ANY reason, they will refund all of what you paid for the product. This does not come out of the pocket of the distributors; this comes directly from the Shaklee Corporation!
So, backed with the information that we as Shaklee informants have, knowing Shaklee has safe products, we are able to offer to people who WANT to try a product, they have nothing to lose, because they can get all their money back they paid for the product. Do you think GNC makes that offer?
People who have diseases, or chronic conditions, and are looking for help they can’t find in drug treatments, or want something safe, should always present the product they want to try to their physician who is treating them. For instance some nutrients make some cancers worse! Some help.
Well, for better or worse, there is my two cents in response to some of the postings here.
The best of health to every one of you!

]]> By: Mindy http://www.bonniewren.com/2005/will-nutriferon-save-you-from-the-bird-flu.htm#comment-43122 Mindy Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:21:31 +0000 http://www.bonniewren.com/?p=194#comment-43122 When I clicked the link to find out what supports your claim that Shaklee produces more failures than successes, I got a 404-File Not Found error. Please provide your data. I do not sell Shaklee but I have used their products for 35 years with sufficient success. When I clicked the link to find out what supports your claim that Shaklee produces more failures than successes, I got a 404-File Not Found error. Please provide your data. I do not sell Shaklee but I have used their products for 35 years with sufficient success.

]]> By: Bill Lucas http://www.bonniewren.com/2005/will-nutriferon-save-you-from-the-bird-flu.htm#comment-42473 Bill Lucas Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:08:09 +0000 http://www.bonniewren.com/?p=194#comment-42473 Thanks for all of the comments. I truly enjoy the dialogue. Having an honest discussion and civil debate is helpful to us all. I signed up with Shaklee about a month ago. I'm doing my own "research" before I tell anyone anything about the products. I am taking Nutrifuron along with other supplements, but I will not suggest them to my customers until I see more scientific evidence to support Shaklee's claims. (I'm a skeptic, by nature, but if I believe in something I will support it.) I've never really been a salesman because as many have stated: "Prove your product is better than the others." I don't care if it is cars, appliances, etc. I've sold one thing my whole adult life and that is education. I'm a teacher, so I guess I am a salesman each and every day. I sell my students on the benefits of an education. But, that education is based on learning and examining with an open mind, not one that can be led anywhere. Most stories have, not only two sides, but many. I can't say if Shaklee is the "perfect product" for everyone, but I have researched their marketing plan and I agree with it. Yes, I plan to see if others wish to join, but my biggest emphasis is a quality product for my customers. Maybe my business will not grow like others, but I will feel good about my company. That is the most important thing to me. I will keep looking for research based on all of Shaklee's claims whether it supports or doesn't the claims. I'm open to all viewpoints and interpretations. In the end, I have to become educated and then make my decisions. This is what I try to teach to my students every day. Education is expensive, but "Ignorance" costs a lot more. If anyone can direct me to any other information about Nutrifuron I would greatly appreciate it. Once again. Thank you for this forum. It has been very informative and stimulating. Bonnie you are awesome! Thanks for all of the comments. I truly enjoy the dialogue. Having an honest discussion and civil debate is helpful to us all.

I signed up with Shaklee about a month ago. I’m doing my own “research” before I tell anyone anything about the products.

I am taking Nutrifuron along with other supplements, but I will not suggest them to my customers until I see more scientific evidence to support Shaklee’s claims. (I’m a skeptic, by nature, but if I believe in something I will support it.) I’ve never really been a salesman because as many have stated: “Prove your product is better than the others.” I don’t care if it is cars, appliances, etc. I’ve sold one thing my whole adult life and that is education. I’m a teacher, so I guess I am a salesman each and every day. I sell my students on the benefits of an education. But, that education is based on learning and examining with an open mind, not one that can be led anywhere. Most stories have, not only two sides, but many.

I can’t say if Shaklee is the “perfect product” for everyone, but I have researched their marketing plan and I agree with it. Yes, I plan to see if others wish to join, but my biggest emphasis is a quality product for my customers. Maybe my business will not grow like others, but I will feel good about my company. That is the most important thing to me.

I will keep looking for research based on all of Shaklee’s claims whether it supports or doesn’t the claims. I’m open to all viewpoints and interpretations. In the end, I have to become educated and then make my decisions. This is what I try to teach to my students every day.

Education is expensive, but “Ignorance” costs a lot more. If anyone can direct me to any other information about Nutrifuron I would greatly appreciate it.

Once again. Thank you for this forum. It has been very informative and stimulating.

Bonnie you are awesome!

]]> By: Cathie Gatz http://www.bonniewren.com/2005/will-nutriferon-save-you-from-the-bird-flu.htm#comment-35323 Cathie Gatz Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:20:19 +0000 http://www.bonniewren.com/?p=194#comment-35323 I am not a Shaklee distributor. My husband was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. He is doing well and besides the conventional treatment we took an aggressive approach nutritionally to keep his system built up during his radiation and chemo treatments. His tumor is shrinking and he has been able to work every third week while on treatment. After his last chemo his platelet count was starting to get low which is normal under the circumstances. I was handed a bottle of NutriFeron and started him on it right away and he was on it for a month before his next chemo treatment. His platelet count went up from 92,000 to 126,000 when it normally goes down and usually patients have to stop treatment. I also researched the man who discovered interferon and how it works in the body. He also worked to put together a natural remedy to stimulate the body to create its own interferon for the immune system. NutriFeron is expensive. Cancer is more expensive. Even with insurance coverage we have paid out almost $10,000 out of our assests. The shot a patient gets after a chemo session is a $6,000 shot of which we pay $1,000. So do your research and get your fruits and veggies in order for your health. Other excellent nutrients we have added to our diets since the onset of cancer is wheat grass and flax oil. Thank you, I am not a Shaklee distributor. My husband was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer. He is doing well and besides the conventional treatment we took an aggressive approach nutritionally to keep his system built up during his radiation and chemo treatments. His tumor is shrinking and he has been able to work every third week while on treatment. After his last chemo his platelet count was starting to get low which is normal under the circumstances. I was handed a bottle of NutriFeron and started him on it right away and he was on it for a month before his next chemo treatment. His platelet count went up from 92,000 to 126,000 when it normally goes down and usually patients have to stop treatment.

I also researched the man who discovered interferon and how it works in the body. He also worked to put together a natural remedy to stimulate the body to create its own interferon for the immune system.

NutriFeron is expensive. Cancer is more expensive. Even with insurance coverage we have paid out almost $10,000 out of our assests. The shot a patient gets after a chemo session is a $6,000 shot of which we pay $1,000.

So do your research and get your fruits and veggies in order for your health. Other excellent nutrients we have added to our diets since the onset of cancer is wheat grass and flax oil.

Thank you,

]]> By: mariesail http://www.bonniewren.com/2005/will-nutriferon-save-you-from-the-bird-flu.htm#comment-33790 mariesail Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:17:28 +0000 http://www.bonniewren.com/?p=194#comment-33790 This is the patent cited on the Nutriferon bottle. 'Nuff said. United States Patent 6,811,796 Yoshida November 2, 2004 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Preventive or therapeutic agent for pollen allergy, allergic rhinitis, atopic dermatitis, asthma or urticaria, or health food for prevention or improvement or reduction of symptoms thereof Abstract A method for prevention or therapy of pollen allergy, allergic rhinitis, atopic dermatitis, asthma or urticaria by administration of two kinds of crude drugs--seeds of Cucurbita moschata and flowers of Carthamus tinctorius--and at least one crude drug selected from Plantago asiatica, Lonicera japonica, Glycyrrhiza uralensis, Coix lachrymal-jobi var. ma-yuen, Zingiber officinale, Curcuma longa, Curcuma zedoaria and Artemisia argyi to a patient; and a health food for prevention, or improvement, or reduction of these symptoms containing the above substances. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inventors: Yoshida; Satoshi (Tokyo, JP) Assignee: Matsuura Yakugyo Co., Ltd. (JP) Appl. No.: 10/126,779 Filed: April 22, 2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current U.S. Class: 424/738 ; 424/439; 424/758; 424/764; 424/776; 424/778; 514/826 Current International Class: A01N 65/00 (20060101); A23L 1/30 (20060101); A61P 11/00 (20060101); A61P 11/02 (20060101); A61P 37/00 (20060101); A61P 37/08 (20060101); A61P 11/06 (20060101); A61P 17/00 (20060101); A01N 065/00 () Field of Search: 424/738,758,439,776,778,764,757,750,740 514/826,861,863 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the patent cited on the Nutriferon bottle. ‘Nuff said.

United States Patent 6,811,796
Yoshida November 2, 2004

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Preventive or therapeutic agent for pollen allergy, allergic rhinitis, atopic dermatitis, asthma or urticaria, or health food for prevention or improvement or reduction of symptoms thereof

Abstract
A method for prevention or therapy of pollen allergy, allergic rhinitis, atopic dermatitis, asthma or urticaria by administration of two kinds of crude drugs–seeds of Cucurbita moschata and flowers of Carthamus tinctorius–and at least one crude drug selected from Plantago asiatica, Lonicera japonica, Glycyrrhiza uralensis, Coix lachrymal-jobi var. ma-yuen, Zingiber officinale, Curcuma longa, Curcuma zedoaria and Artemisia argyi to a patient; and a health food for prevention, or improvement, or reduction of these symptoms containing the above substances.

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Inventors: Yoshida; Satoshi (Tokyo, JP)
Assignee: Matsuura Yakugyo Co., Ltd. (JP)

Appl. No.: 10/126,779
Filed: April 22, 2002

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Current U.S. Class: 424/738 ; 424/439; 424/758; 424/764; 424/776; 424/778; 514/826
Current International Class: A01N 65/00 (20060101); A23L 1/30 (20060101); A61P 11/00 (20060101); A61P 11/02 (20060101); A61P 37/00 (20060101); A61P 37/08 (20060101); A61P 11/06 (20060101); A61P 17/00 (20060101); A01N 065/00 ()
Field of Search: 424/738,758,439,776,778,764,757,750,740 514/826,861,863

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